情挑六月花

爱情片美国1990

主演:苏珊·萨兰登,詹姆斯·斯派德,杰森·亚历山大,凯西·贝茨,艾琳·布伦南,史蒂芬·希尔,瑞秋·夏卡尔,科里·帕克,蕾妮·泰勒,乔纳森·潘内尔,Barbara Howard,肯·迈尔斯,米茨·麦卡尔

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详细剧情

  二十七岁的马克斯(詹姆斯·斯派德 James Spader 饰)是一位事业有成的广告人,不久前,他的妻子不幸去世,至今,马克斯都未能走出丧妻的悲痛阴影中,个性也因此而变得封闭和阴沉。  某日,他来到了一间小酒吧喝酒解闷,在这里,马克斯遇见了名为诺拉(苏珊·萨兰登 Susan Sarandon 饰)的四十三岁女招待。命运让这两个身份地位和年龄都悬殊巨大的人相互吸引,诺拉让马克斯暂时淡忘了痛苦,马克斯亦教会了诺拉什么是尊重,随着时间的推移,他们坠入了爱河。然而,这段世人眼中并不匹配的恋情注定要遭到诸多的考验,最终,他们的真爱能否战胜世俗的非议和彼此之间巨大的鸿沟呢?

 长篇影评

 1 ) respecting and true love

很多真爱的开始都是伴随一场没有戏剧性没有浪漫的开始,且大多数都是由性开始的。see,有一种可能,不是真爱难觅,假设任何一个人都有对应好几个真爱候选人在哪儿,但是与其中某个相爱了,是因为一场可持续的遇见/开始,让彼此了解对方真正样子,这种爱随着了解对方深入而明白自己爱对方程度的多少。
Max在前妻未死之前,也是爱,在前妻死后消沉了两年,证明这种爱的程度深浅;在Max遇到Nora后,一次一次接触,一次一次做爱,他觉得自己想要Nora程度胜于前妻,这说明Nora和他之间的关系更贴近本质的他,于是冲破一切束缚。除开中国之外的大多数欧洲国家,很多人很容易陷入爱情,因为她们一旦有了好感之后,就会开始去可持续的尝试,当这种可持续尝试不适合他们时候,就抽身了,继续寻找下一个有感觉的对象,无论男人还是女人,所以找到the one的概率大很多。
试想,一个普通小伙儿坐在对面,肉眼只能看到他的皮囊,但是他的想法,他的价值观,他的性格,肉眼看不到,需要交谈,talk,了解,也许,这种了解在外国人中普遍会参夹性,且不评论了解对方的方式。Max在汉堡店、酒吧、及看到Nora肮脏破败公寓时,他不会知道,oh my god,她是我的真爱,我想和这个女人在一起一辈子。
动物无论高级还是低级,都会相互作伴的需要,人类这个名词也是具有特殊高级神经中枢系统区别其他动物的一个词语,一个人总是孤独的,两个人的体温相互给予可以维持精神上、身体上的维持。

 2 ) White Palace Script

[Beep]

 
                   
Maxie, it's Neil.
Don't forget the burgers, pal.

 
                   
Corner of Olive and 18th.
It'll be ready at 7:30.

 
                   
Yee-hah!

 
                   
[Beep beep beep]

 
                   
[Telephone rings]

 
                   
[Ring]

 
                   
[Beep]

 
                   
Hello. It's your mother.

  
                   
Don't forget tomorrow
we visit Janey.

  
                   
You'll pick me up
at the store at : .

  
                   
Hello?

  
                   
[Door closes]

  
                   
Hello?

  
                   
MAN: All right!

  
                   
[Music playing]

  
                   
Max!

  
                   
Ha ha ha!

  
                   
Max! Max is here!

  
                   
White Palace burgers!

  
                   
Hi. What are you drinking?

  
                   
Soda.

  
                   
It's a bachelor party.
I'm getting married.

  
                   
Oh! Oh!

  
                   
WOMAN: Hey, what about me?
I want one.

  
                   
Aah!

  
                   
Hey, Max, some of these boxes
are empty, man.

  
                   
What?

  
                   
Son of a bitch.
Look at this.

  
                   
I got three... four of them.

  
                   
How could they be empty?

  
                   
What's that? Five?

  
                   
I got six, six empty boxes.

  
                   
Shit. I should've
counted them. Sorry.

  
                   
Come on.
It's a -cent burger.

  
                   
I'm going back.
You want burgers or money?

  
                   
- Are you crazy?
- What's he talking about?

  
                   
What's the matter with you?
We're having a party!

  
                   
We've been crapped on, Neil.

  
                   
What is the trouble?

  
                   
The trouble is you don't
give a damn about principle.

  
                   
Are you kidding?
I'm a lawyer.

  
                   
MAN: Hey! Hey! Hey!

  
                   
- Excuse me.
- End of the line's over there.

  
                   
- I'm not buying anything.
- Get in line, Fred.

  
                   
Look inside the sack, please.

  
                   
When it's your turn.
$ . .

  
                   
I don't think
I need to get in line.

  
                   
I already was in line.

  
                   
I bought 50 burgers.
You only gave me 44

  
                   
so I don't think
I have to wait.

  
                   
- Is that so?
- That is so.

  
                   
Look. Six empties.
I want my money back.

  
                   
And how do I know you didn't
gobble up those burgers?

  
                   
Because I don't gobble
and I don't lie.

  
                   
You gave me six empty boxes.

  
                   
I bought 50 burgers.
You gave me .

  
                   
Do I get my money back
or go to the manager?

  
                   
Smell the boxes. Here.

  
                   
If there had been
White Palaces inside,

  
                   
the boxes would stink,
wouldn't they?

  
                   
Honey, my nose is so full
of White Palaces,

  
                   
I couldn't smell one
shoved in my face.

  
                   
Yo, buddy, I'd like
to get my hamburgers.

  
                   
Will you leave
Mr. Astaire alone?

  
                   
He's trying to report
a robbery here.

  
                   
Thank you.

  
                   
Next.

  
                   
Whoa!

  
                   
Are you Jewish?
I'm just guessing.

  
                   
Hey! It's Honest Abe!

  
                   
I got the money back, Neil.

  
                   
You'll need it for therapy.
You're a nutcase.

  
                   
Ladies and gentlemen,

  
                   
may I introduce...

  
                   
the future Mrs. Neil Horowitz?

  
                   
Yay!

  
                   
Ow!

  
                   
Damn. She is fat.

  
                   
She is always
going to be fat,

  
                   
but she's
a very sweet woman.

  
                   
Oh! Max, look.

  
                   
It's you.

  
                   
Hey, Max with the fiddle.
You were good, man.

  
                   
You were good.

  
                   
Max!

  
                   
It's the fiddler.

  
                   
Oh, Stravinsky.

  
                   
What's next?

  
                   
Who is that?

  
                   
Is that Margie Brown?

  
                   
NEIL: No. It's Janey.

  
                   
Look how young she is.

  
                   
When did you start going out
with her? Kindergarten?

  
                   
Something like that. Yeah.

  
                   
NEIL: She was beautiful.

  
                   
Klugman, what else you got
back there, huh?

  
                   
Larry.

  
                   
Come on. Come on!

   
                   
LARRY: It's stuck.
Give me a second.

   
                   
Could somebody flip
the light switch?

   
                   
NEIL: Max, have
another scotch, buddy.

   
                   
Let's see.
Who wants another one?

   
                   
You're turning into the crazy
old woman from Dickens,

   
                   
the one who sits around
in her wedding dress

   
                   
cherishing
her fucking grief.

   
                   
Havisham.

   
                   
Yeah. That's who
you're turning into.

   
                   
When's the last time
you had a date?

   
                   
What if I told you...

   
                   
I wasn't interested
in getting laid right now?

   
                   
Interest in getting laid
is the human condition,

   
                   
for Christ's sakes, Max.

   
                   
It's all around you.

   
                   
Heidi Solomon.

   
                   
Oh, please.

   
                   
She salivates
over you every day.

   
                   
Rita Fishman... she's gorgeous.

   
                   
She would sleep...

   
                   
If I choose
to be celibate,

   
                   
that's not your business.

   
                   
This isn't celibacy
we're talking about.

   
                   
It's fucking necrophilia.

   
                   
Good night, Neil.

   
                   
- Great party.
- Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Max.

   
                   
You're feeling sorry
for yourself.

   
                   
Makes me want to puke!

   
                   
Blah-ha hah!

   
                   
Whoa ho!

   
                   
WOMAN: Ha ha ha!

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
WOMAN: Wait a minute.

   
                   
Aah! Ha ha!

   
                   
MAN SINGING:
What would it take

   
                   
to make you mine?

   
                   
Ivory towers of wine

   
                   
A rugged movie star
that looks so fine?

   
                   
You know they're really
hard to find

   
                   
What would it take
to make you mine?

   
                   
I'd stay home all the time

   
                   
Give you everything that's mine

   
                   
Even though I'm paying on time

   
                   
What would it take

   
                   
To make

   
                   
You mine?

   
                   
MAX: Chivas and a splash.

   
                   
MAN SINGING:
...to make you mine?

   
                   
A condo in a sunny clime

   
                   
Compatible astrology signs

   
                   
Or sitting round gettin' high?

   
                   
What would it take
to make you mine?

   
                   
Champagne breakfast at :

   
                   
Pumped up all of the time

   
                   
Or simply just sayin' that I'd

   
                   
Like to make you mine

   
                   
All mine

   
                   
All mine?

   
                   
Some coincidence, huh?

   
                   
What?

   
                   
I'll give you a hint, Fred.

   
                   
I ain't exactly Ginger Rogers.

   
                   
Oh, no.

   
                   
Oh, no, huh?

   
                   
Yeah.

   
                   
Oh, no, what? Huh?

   
                   
I don't know.
Just oh, no.

   
                   
What are you doing
in a dump like this?

   
                   
You looking for trouble?

   
                   
I'm having a drink.

   
                   
Cigarette?

   
                   
No, thank you.

   
                   
I know, I know.
Smoking will kill me.

   
                   
That's right.

   
                   
Mmm. Well, come on.
Lecture me.

   
                   
I love it. Come on.

   
                   
I don't lecture.

   
                   
Fred, I bet
you lecture everybody.

   
                   
Yeah? Not tonight.

   
                   
Good. How about another drink?
Jimmy, vodka tonic and...

   
                   
- I don't want another drink.
- Scotch for my new friend here.

   
                   
- What's your name?
- I don't want another drink.

   
                   
Come on.
Let me buy you a drink.

   
                   
Let's pass a peace pipe.
Come on. Huh?

   
                   
I'm buying.

   
                   
- Thanks, Jimmy.
- No, no. I got...

   
                   
- I'm paying for it.
- I don't want you to.

   
                   
- I am buying you a drink.
- Here. For both of them.

   
                   
Please. All right. OK.

   
                   
Look at you.
You're so cute.

   
                   
You're all tensed up
like a ticklish little kid.

   
                   
Damn. You are beautiful.
Look at that face.

   
                   
Jimmy, is this
a beautiful face?

   
                   
Anybody ever tell you
you look like Tony Curtis?

   
                   
- All the time.
- Ha ha!

   
                   
Hmm...

   
                   
I had a wonderful dream.

   
                   
I was sorting your shells
and mixing your cocktails.

   
                   
When I woke up, I wanted to
swim right back to you.

   
                   
"Some Like It Hot."
Did you ever see it?

   
                   
- It's not a tough question.
- No, no.

   
                   
- Marilyn Monroe.
- Yeah, I saw that.

   
                   
God, she's something. Mmm.

   
                   
MAX: Yeah. She is.

   
                   
You swim?

   
                   
Do I swim?

   
                   
Yeah. You look like you swim.

   
                   
I mean, you're not
real muscular,

   
                   
but you're strong,
am I right?

   
                   
I think you're drunk.

   
                   
Yeah. If I get any drunker,
I'll fall all over you.

   
                   
So...

   
                   
What's with the monkey suit?
You a chauffeur?

   
                   
Oh, no.
I was at a bachelor party.

   
                   
Yours?

   
                   
No.

   
                   
Did you have a naked girl?

   
                   
MAX: A dozen of them.

   
                   
You got a wife?

   
                   
Uh-uh.

   
                   
No, I don't.

   
                   
You're not sure?

   
                   
I don't have a wife.

   
                   
But you did
have one, right?

   
                   
Yeah, that's r... yeah.
That's correct.

   
                   
She leave you?
Is that how come you're so sad?

   
                   
I'm not sad.

   
                   
You're feeling
sorry for yourself.

   
                   
Do you mind if we
change the subject?

   
                   
Hi, Tony.

   
                   
Hi, Fred.

   
                   
Come on.

   
                   
Tell me your name.

   
                   
Mine's Nora.

   
                   
Max.

   
                   
Oh, that's cute.

   
                   
What's your zip code? Hmm?

   
                   
What kind of soap does
your wife use?

   
                   
Maybe you should take
your hand off my thigh.

   
                   
My hand's not on your thigh.

   
                   
Night.

   
                   
Sorry about your lady
dumping you.

   
                   
- She didn't exactly dump me.
- What did she do, then?

   
                   
She died.

   
                   
Died?

   
                   
You mean died?

   
                   
Yeah.

   
                   
That's a new one.

   
                   
How did she do that?

   
                   
Car turned over.

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
Oh, I'm s...

   
                   
I'm sorry. I just...
I can't help it.

   
                   
That's all right.

   
                   
I don't know
why I'm laughing.

   
                   
Your wife died.

   
                   
Maybe nobody ever
died on you before.

   
                   
No. Charlie died.

   
                   
Charlie? What?
Is that your doggie?

   
                   
No.

   
                   
Charlie... my kid.

   
                   
Your kid?

   
                   
I know, I know. I know.

   
                   
How'd he die?

   
                   
Leukemia.

   
                   
What can you do?

   
                   
The world spins around.

   
                   
I'm sorry.

   
                   
It's over...

   
                   
right?

   
                   
Right.

   
                   
Good night.

   
                   
MAN SINGING:
This good-hearted woman

   
                   
She loves her good-timin' man

   
                   
Drive me home.
I'll fix you a cup of coffee.

   
                   
Actually, I missed the bus.

   
                   
I don't live too far from here.

   
                   
Come on. You don't
want me to take a taxi.

   
                   
- Don't smoke in the car, OK?
- Deal.

   
                   
Put your seat belt on.

   
                   
It's all right. Hold on.

   
                   
You're a cautious little doggie.

   
                   
[Operatic aria playing]

   
                   
What's that?

   
                   
That is the most beautiful music
in the world.

   
                   
You got any Oak Ridge Boys?

   
                   
No. I'm afraid not.

   
                   
What are you?
Are you Italian or something?

   
                   
I'm Jewish.

   
                   
Jewish?

   
                   
Ha!

   
                   
Interesting people... Jews.

   
                   
I was Catholic myself once,
but confession made me jumpy.

   
                   
Ha!

   
                   
I tried them all, but I never
did try to find Moses.

   
                   
Tell you the truth,
I don't know very many Jews.

   
                   
This guy tried to shove
Brigham Young on my ass once.

   
                   
Go left at Clayton.

   
                   
That's... well,
that's Dogtown.

   
                   
That's what they call it.
Go left here.

   
                   
Turn... turn left!

   
                   
[Horn honks]

   
                   
- You're drunk.
- I'm all right.

   
                   
No. You're drunk.

   
                   
- OK. Turn again.
- Where?

   
                   
Right here!

   
                   
[Tires screech]

   
                   
God!

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
I love him.

   
                   
That's a drunk
driving the drunk.

   
                   
[Key-alert chimes]

   
                   
I just can't...

   
                   
ha ha ha!

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
Come on, beautiful.

   
                   
Let me fix you some coffee.

   
                   
You're too drunk to drive.

   
                   
- I'm all right.
- No. Come on.

   
                   
Come on.

   
                   
Ha ha ha! Ohhh.

   
                   
Don't slip on the Astroturf.

   
                   
Ha ha ha!

   
                   
NORA: Make yourself at home.

   
                   
[Glass breaks]

   
                   
MAX: What exactly is there
between you and Marilyn Monroe?

   
                   
NORA: Oh, she's just
so fucked up and glamorous...

   
                   
and losing and fighting
all the time, you know?

   
                   
I seen all her movies
at least five times,

   
                   
and also my name is Nora Baker,

   
                   
and her real name
is Norma Jean Baker.

   
                   
Get it?

   
                   
How about that coffee?

   
                   
How about it?

   
                   
Could have sworn I had me
a full can of Maxwell House.

   
                   
There's no coffee?

   
                   
Why don't I fix you
a drink instead?

   
                   
MAX: A drink?

   
                   
No. I'm trying to get my ass
home in one piece.

   
                   
If you can't drive,
you might as well drink, right?

   
                   
How can you be out of coffee?

   
                   
This couch opens up into a bed.

   
                   
- I'm not staying here.
- I'll wake you up early.

   
                   
No. I'm not going to sleep here.

   
                   
What do you want to do?

   
                   
You want to call a taxi
and come back in the morning?

   
                   
Do you have a bathroom?

   
                   
Hi.

   
                   
I don't feel very well.

   
                   
I think I might just
lie down for a moment.

   
                   
Poor baby.

   
                   
Janey.

   
                   
You're so beautiful.

   
                   
More?

   
                   
Yes.

   
                   
Say please.

   
                   
Please.

   
                   
[Buzzing]

   
                   
NORA: Find anything interesting?

   
                   
I hope you had a good time.

   
                   
You needed it.

   
                   
Will I see you again?

   
                   
No.

   
                   
NORA: For a minute there,
I really did think...

   
                   
you were just going
to up and surprise me.

   
                   
[Beep]

   
                   
Hello, Max.
This is your mother.

   
                   
[Tape fast forwards]

   
                   
[Beep]

   
                   
NEIL: Hey, partner,
sorry about the lecture.

   
                   
I was way out of line.
Where the hell are you?

   
                   
You didn't jump
off a bridge, did you?

   
                   
Call me. I promise not to
make you screw anybody.

   
                   
MAX: Ha ha ha!

   
                   
[Beep]

   
                   
Hello, Max.
It's Heidi Solomon.

   
                   
I'm taking a chance here,
but, uh...

   
                   
I've got an extra ticket
to the symphony tonight.

   
                   
It's all Schumann,

   
                   
and I'd love for you
to join me if you're free.

   
      

 3 ) 我能看到你的生命被女人困扰

诺拉喜欢麦克斯的年轻和肉体吗?她喜欢他的优秀吗?还是她喜欢他喜欢她?

麦克斯喜欢诺拉成熟的肉体,喜欢诺拉的真实,还有那种共同的,失去至亲对自己袭击的伤痛(他们第一次在酒吧,最后麦克斯搞别的时候,他说他妻子死于车祸,她说她儿子死于白血病,那一刻,我怎么觉得他们在比惨)

我理解这场爱情缘由,它不生硬,它不无厘头,悲伤的情绪的感同身受是基石,人与人之间的关系,是靠有多少同频共振的东西来决定深浅的,他们有着相同的深深的悲伤,这样的体验旁人很难体会,也就不难理解,麦克斯在与好友介绍的美女在一起的时候,貌似有很多共同的地方,爱好摄影,爱好音乐,爱好旅行,其实这些无关痛痒的爱好,可以唤起一些共鸣,但是比起那种生命的沉痛显得太轻太轻,所以麦克斯说:你们知道什么是合适吗?什么是合适的?“她的吸尘器竟然没有灰尘...”这是对这个圈层的人群的一种不满,一种宣泄,因为她们是那样的不真实,不真实到吸尘器都没有灰尘。但是他的朋友们不知道,他们假装的已经不知道什么是不假装了

麦克斯在诺拉走后,其实应该也准备开始接受新的恋情的,所以有了那次聚会,但是在聚会上,朋友的絮絮叨叨,和美女之间隔靴搔痒似的对话,终于激起他对自己内心真实感受的回应,他选择逃离了那里,那个圈子那个工作那个城市,去寻找真实的生活

诺拉在换了城市之后,她的妆容和发型是有改变的,以前的散乱到现在的温柔贴顺,说明她也在向真实的自己靠近,因为她姐姐说过,在失去查理之后,她对一切都不在乎了...

这是一场关于找寻自己救赎自己,回归自己的真实的爱恋影片,所以关于年纪身份地位那些云云,显得太微弱了,太表层了。导演的这部影片真的想说的应该是这!关于生命的思考!关于自我的找寻!我喜欢!

 4 ) 原谅我的恶趣味

作为一个中年已婚妇女我必须承认,这个片子唯一吸引我的就是男主。他太好看了!好看成这样的男人,为何会被女主吸引,我真的想不明白。我不相信这样的爱情,如果有,也只是因为男主太年轻。原谅我的直率。(如果十年前看,我也一定相信真爱,我向任何一路神佛保证)

女主的姿态真的不太好。就角色而言,她不够自爱,第一天晚上精虫上脑睡小鲜肉的场景让人不忍卒睹。邋遢、自卑、浅薄无知,为什么男主要降低自己去迎合她?就为了性?美国当年的性资源匮乏成这样了吗?

我只是有了一个有趣的发现,十二年后的男主是这样的,你不能不说人的潜力是无限的。

 5 ) 90年代左右的美国影片好爱在男女问题上做文章哟

我发现90年代左右的美国生活电影特别爱在男女关系上做文章,那个时代是真的拍摄了一系列讲述男女关系的影片,都带着那么一点情欲的味道在里面,我不得不又提到讲述婚外情的《不忠》《致命的诱惑》,因为这三部影片都是从“没忍得住诱惑”开始的。虽然结局不同,处理起来也都不轻松。

蓓蓓的电影世界:http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1167336560

《情挑六月花》的人物设定还蛮具挑战性的,27岁的丧妻知识分子中产阶级男和一个37岁丧子的汉堡包店女服务员。而且这两个角色的演员也真的就是100%按照设定人物的形象在找,一点都不留情,绝对不会按照偶像剧的套路(虽然设定上说得很好听什么黄昏/姐弟恋,实际上找的演员年龄都差不多,为了让观众看起来舒服能接受一点),在本片里,不好意思,点都不留情。

苏珊虽然保养的还行,但是依然能够从垮掉的胸部和鼓起的小肚腩中看到一个中年女子赤裸裸衰老的痕迹。而男主角呢,哇,简直白净得像一尘不染的掉入凡间的男性小天使。所以,第一场床戏看起来着实没有什么美感。苏珊叫起来像头猪一样难听,沉重的身体和塌拉着的胸部压在如天使般纯洁的小男生身上,哎哟,这画面真的不是特别舒服。 所以,开始得真的不是特别罗曼蒂克,而且本来苏姗最开始也只是觊觎小鲜肉的肉体而已,根本没想到小鲜肉居然再次找上门来了,她自己都惊讶得下巴掉了。

这样一个沉迷于吸烟的底下层颓废中年女性是如何泡上一个多金小鲜肉呢?我也说不清楚,爱情有时候特别难解释。当然,本片给了很多暗示,为何他会选择她?他年纪轻轻丧妻一蹶不振,但遇到苏珊死了儿子还能轻描淡写的化悲伤为颓废,让他得到了释怀吧;或许小天使从小家境环境和教育程度让他被压抑过久的天性在苏珊放荡不羁爱自由的性格中得到了舒缓吧;又或者他通过苏珊看到了和自己完全不一样的生活方式让他好奇和新鲜吧;所以,他着迷了,就像他自己狠诚实的表达着他对她是“I want u”而不是“I love u”,

女人呐,就怕你只想和我玩玩,但我却认真了。苏珊还是认真了,哪怕她有点不敢奢求这段恋爱,但是她依然认真起来了,她为了他开始收拾房子(男主有洁癖)

,她想要进入他的生活圈子,这些都给男主角制造了无形的压力。虽然嘴巴上说不在乎,特别是在美国这样一个自由恋爱的国家,但是还是应了那句话,人啊,都是没有办法离开社区而独立存在的群居动物,哎哟,世俗的眼光敏锐起来也是真的蛮可怕的,特别是两个人的生活圈子简直是一个在天上一个在地上。说起来容易做起来难得很呢。

所以,苏珊自己都受不了这样子的社会眼光,所以她选择离开了,对她和对他都比较轻松容易一点。天涯何处无芳草,柳暗花明又一村嘛。如果他们就此分开我一点都不觉得可惜,身边的人也不会觉得可惜。“本来就该这样嘛”一时贪恋而已。放弃当然比较容易,如果最后小鲜肉没有选择倒头回去找苏珊,我其实也是能理解的,也不会觉得他很糟糕,他只是选择了最容易的方式去融入社会而已,以后还是会娶一个差不多对等地位的年轻女子过上差不多的日子。

但是,他选择了不容易的一条路,他放弃一切跑去找苏珊。或许是男主从小的生长环境和周边的人都是传统的吧,他骨子里却有一股倔强和任性。所以他丢下一切去找苏珊了。这个选择自然不轻松哟,未来还会更难,我想起都觉得好难,简单点的例子来说,估计晚上看电视剧都看不到一起。

如果我在二十多岁时看这部影片,我会毫不犹豫的觉得导演简直是理想化了。但是我现在三十多岁了,对社会的认知和感悟,说实话都宽容太多了,也并没有觉得有什么不可以。这世界上好像也没有什么不能放弃或者不能开始的事儿。我们很多时候给自己的“枷锁”就是那些“不得行”“必须”“不可以”“不应该”,你把那些“不”换成“如果”,再去估算你为此要去做的不一样的事情,好像也并没有那么坏哟。

所以最后一幕,小鲜肉就在咖啡厅扑在了苏珊身上热吻,毫不掩饰的表达着他对她的“I want u”,你笑了,whatever,以后的事儿以后再说。

 6 ) 关于影名—White Palace和情挑六月花

white palace

半个月前的深夜我窝在床上看完了这部电影,看完后发现中文译名根本就匹配不上这部电影本身嘛。继而心里又冒出两个问题:一是为何要翻成"情挑六月花"这样单纯影射情色的名字,二是电影英文本名white palace为何意。

其实,第一个问题本身就有一个疑问点,就是为什么我看到情挑六月花就会给它一个色情片的印象。这么说吧,中文母语者中国人为什么看到这个译名会联想到情色。首先,"挑"这个字用的很巧,挑逗,挑衅。"六月花”,花这个词自古多指女性,加上"风花雪月"“烟花巷流”“花花公子”等花被冠以一层风流、情色的意思,加之六月是酷夏,酷夏的温度加上风花就难免让人觉得有“情欲”的意思。所以情挑六月花,就在我们脑海里理解成挑起情欲的意思。

但是光有这个还不足以有情色的印象,为什么性欲就会被冠之以情色,有爱有性不能叫之以情色才对。这是因为传统文化普遍对性好奇和性欲望压制,遮掩,欲望因为没有被正视而逐渐沦为纯粹的兽欲,也缺乏一种艺术上的美感。所以,在这样的文化背景下成长的人,对性的认识自然而然还停留在相对幼稚的层面,所以翻译的人觉得拔高电影内容反而不如直接翻成肉蒲类的片名来得吸引人。不过,实际上国内也不乏专门就此题材发挥的电影文学作品,其中的分析更为细致、复杂且深入,而且你会发现再枯萎的人也有不经意表露出多样性的一面,就算被扼杀也能看出端倪来。

从单纯的性欲满足到人与人关系的建立,故事和人物本身跟着也复杂了起来,丰富了起来,不过这样的玩味心态不是急于满足的人能够拥有的。因此,这样的题目很容易就给许多中国人一个直观的感受:影片内容一定是情色的,直接描写性的。从市场宣传角度来说,这样的译名就是在迎合不少不成熟中国观众的需求,悄悄地了解性的需要和私底下借直观画面表达性的需要。不是说成熟就不会有这种需求,而是出发点和态度会不一样。除此之外,稍微细心一点的人会留心电影译名的第一个字是“情”,有情就不至于流于单纯的性描写,一定是与人物本身所关联的。

第二个问题,英文名white palace的意味在于何处。我隐隐约约记得,女主工作的地方叫white palace(如果没记错的话)。当时是男主问她在哪儿工作时提到的这个名字的。white palace,直译过来是“白宫”,白色宫殿,听上去是不是就想到了美国政府的白宫啊,这应该是权力的象征,背后就有更多东西了,比如经济能力,社会地位,社会阶层,文化圈,生活方式等等。但是电影中的白宫只是一家女主打工的快餐店,去店里吃饭的人也代表了一群人的经济实力,和以此划分的社会阶层。我们不讨论这个阶层在社会的位置如何,但是就女主和男主来讲,他们的生活圈子的确相差甚远。而我们说的圈子主要是按经济能力社会地位划分的阶层,男主与女主来自不同的阶层,社交圈,文化圈,生活方式也很不同,这一点整个影片都表现得很明显。而且在女主受邀去参加男主朋友的宴会时,两个阶层的矛盾达到了一个高潮,女主注重个人生活体验的价值观更是反衬出部分社会中阶在思维上的固步自封。这让我想起前两天重观的《泰坦尼克号》,不过那又是君主立宪制的贵族社会和象征美国平等自由观念的博弈了,情况不能相提并论,但也是讲不同阶层不同观念的人冲破阶层阻碍走到一起产生了爱情。

话说回来,为什么女主工作的地方也叫白宫,这也呼应了最后男主跳出阶级之分的阴谋,用一颗纯粹的爱人之心去感受他和女主之间的情感流动,并且坦然地放弃象征地位的职业去寻求小镇里的简单有爱的生活。所以,白宫既然象征着政府,那么也代表着美国本身的建国理念——“自由平等”,这自由平等不应该只是贴在政府大楼脑门上的口号,更是烙印在每个平凡人的心中吧。所以,影片名字这样取是不是意味着一种价值观的传递呢,用这种价值观去冲破资本主义社会里毫无人情味的阶级划分。这种价值观到底意味着什么,我想看到最后在女主打工的餐厅里,女主又带着那抹调戏又温柔的笑容队男主吐出“Oh~ Honey, I have everything you want "这句话时,已见分晓。好喜欢在当下说出这句话的女主哦,很暖很酷,她真的愿意为他做一些改变坚持做他爱的自己并且爱他,他也真的愿意了解她的过去保护她爱她和她过真实简单有爱的平凡生活。我想,两个人都是领会到他们生活的真谛但人。真好。

 短评

简直就是童话好嘛!27岁和44岁~james的眼神真是大杀器。

2分钟前
  • 🌊🌈♐
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Nora一个粗俗,野蛮的中年女人,我真的理解不了他们之间的爱情,最初的相互生理满足是他们在一起的原因,我也只能想到这个原因。电影确实是造梦机器,不过这个中年离异失独女人的春梦造的太假,不感人,也毫无逻辑可言。重点也是女主真的丝毫不讨人喜欢

6分钟前
  • 雨路
  • 较差

可喜欢这个结局。没有狗血的上层社会的接受容纳,而是勇于面对真实的自己。It's not you that I'm ashamed of, it's me I'm ashamed of. 【彼时的斯大人简直太美艳了!

10分钟前
  • Bearnne
  • 力荐

抛开限制级的部分就完全是时下全东亚流行的大龄三无女钓到年轻高富帅的剧情;男主的宅男属性决定了他需要一个擅长室内运动的伴侣,什么社交活动who cares;Younger Men一曲道破了女青年到女中年的审美转变,人艰不拆好吗……

13分钟前
  • NigelCrane
  • 推荐

重点是James的情欲戏~!这家伙确实是情欲戏高手啊~~一场Blow job被他演的好像天使被引诱堕天一样~~

18分钟前
  • EuticphicL
  • 力荐

这姐弟恋谈得,太暖了,结局太猛了。两位美人儿。 从《性、谎言和录像带》到这部,James Spader给我的感觉就是一朵忧郁的小甜心,还美得要命,太迷人!

23分钟前
  • RealityBites
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应该算是姐弟恋作品中最酷的一部,93年的日剧《爱无谎言》就是抄袭的这个片子。水葱嫩的詹姆斯.斯派德后来就一直以拍情色片为已任,而苏珊.萨兰登则是唯一一位我认为无法用“女王”来概括的尖刀型女演员,她更像彪悍的女巫。

25分钟前
  • 暗地妖娆
  • 推荐

这部我收藏了十五年的电影,最近终于断断续续分了四五次看完了。怎么讲呢?女主是不是自卑的摩羯女啊。感觉情商什么的都不在线。感情戏码扯到阶级不对等就没意思了,反正如果我年轻的时候看这部电影可能处于荷尔蒙作祟会给上四颗星,但是准中年的我只能给一颗心了。并没有让我勃起,谢谢。

30分钟前
  • 左小煮粥
  • 很差

萨兰登你是上辈子修了什么福啊??部部老少配。

31分钟前
  • 小城就好
  • 还行

一个好男人和一个好女人用不太平常的方式相爱。话说回来,女人无论多刚强独立还是弱体,毕竟这个世界是男权的。所以,一旦相爱年龄不成问题。

33分钟前
  • smalldie
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这个故事做得非常非常精细,堪称对90年代美国中产的一个精妙侧写。Max爱Nora的原因开头几笔就写明了:小城犹太人、乖孩子中产、母亲极富控制欲有强迫症(单亲),青梅竹马的妻子如果没有猝死,他一生就这样循规蹈矩地交待了。可是妻子离世后,来自另一个阶级的Nora却给了沉溺在痛苦中的他一个机会,她的直率和毫不掩饰让Max最终明白了自身的真实需求——Max其实是个慵懒性感的宅男,不喜欢刻板的“美国梦”——小城中产那套让他厌烦得要死,所以最后他和女主去纽约(大城市更包容)了。另外,我才意识到,JS长了张文艺复兴时天使的脸,金色长睫毛覆盖着忧伤恭顺的眼,放到意大利湿壁画里毫不违和,但又配了一个极为有力和肉感的下巴,还有强健干净的躯体,这男人能从天真羞怯忧伤直接切换到肉欲上去,也是百年难遇的极品。

35分钟前
  • OLIVE
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其实是个挺有趣有质感的主流爱情片 两个主演表现很好 年轻的James spader好看到逆天啊。。。。为了弥补这个八杆子打不着不着四六的纯搅和的傻逼译名给电影带来的伤害给5星。人家明明叫White palace。。。

40分钟前
  • ಠωಠ
  • 力荐

男主角的眼睛总有些朦胧的美感,看介绍才知道他是个大近视眼,呵呵。

44分钟前
  • 星探
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温暖的姐弟恋爱情,演技赞,腐情调赞,最感动人的是他们相爱的勇气。真是那样,鞋合不合适,只有自己知道。旁观者有热闹看应该心怀感恩,不能指手画脚了。

49分钟前
  • 小小农
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有James Spader的片子光是养眼分就可以给五星,但剧情太简单扣一星 。金睫毛妖孽大叔 James Spader,从没见过能把普通的上班装穿得那么性感的男人 。 叔年轻的时候就是个耀目靓仔 , 长得像Tony Curtis 。Susan阿姨你不仅仅是吃了嫩草, 还是长在仙岛上最得天地厚最水嫩的那株。

50分钟前
  • 猫龟🐌
  • 还行

张小娴:女人到底想要什么?答案还不简单吗?无论她看起来想要什么,她想要的终归只有两样东西:很多的爱和很多的安全感

55分钟前
  • 不再是江湖骗子
  • 力荐

“当鞋子合适的时候,脚被忘却了;当腰带合适的时候,腹部被忘却了;当心灵正确的时候,‘赞同’与‘反’都被忘却了”。——奥修《当鞋合脚时》

60分钟前
  • Valentina
  • 还行

Max Baron 是那样的迷人...他就象一杯酒让人越看越醉.他安静,沉稳,内敛而不乏激情.虽然这是一个老套的故事,然而正是这样老套的故事让我们感觉真切.最后的结局让人会心一笑,心存感动.

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