善地第二季

第二季整个开头一个噩梦轮回😐好家伙第一季蛮不错 挺有意思 但是回忆+现实穿插有点懵逼 挺突然的 但是整体不错 最后反转也很好玩 很少看美剧 但是这个居然完整看下来了 就很棒 下饭神剧😐 第二季只看了开头 但是一直噩梦轮回不知道后面发生什么 就慢慢看吧 总体来说第一季好看 第二季开头有点无聊😐😐😐后面不知道会不会好点

By Miles Surrey Feb 2, 2018

The Good Place is the only half-hour comedy that makes you overanalyze promotional photos like a Westworld fan on Reddit—that’s what happens when a show ends its first season by completely flipping the script and revealing that the beloved protagonists who had been chosen to live in a froyo-filled utopia are actually trapped in a specially concocted place of eternal damnation. Even more than a year after the fact, the Season 1 finale reveal that the Good Place is actually the Bad Place—underscored by Ted Danson’s maniacal laugh, as his previously affable Michael morphs into a literal demon—is bewildering, and leaves you a puddle of discomfort and twisted joy. The Good Place really went there, and Season 2 was a hard reset in every sense of the word—all four main characters’ minds having been wiped of the shocking revelation.

Somehow, the second season has followed that twist with even more twists, surprising less in the conceit than the manner in which they were presented. That Eleanor (Kristen Bell), Chidi (William Jackson Harper), Jason (Manny Jacinto), and Tahani (Jameela Jamil) figure out they were still in the Bad Place was to be expected. What wasn’t expected was that they discovered this in the season’s premiere, and that through the next three episodes they became allies with Michael. Turns out even an omniscient demon might be capable of becoming a better “person,” one willing to help humans venture through Bad Place and beyond to save their souls.

So before Thursday night’s finale, “Somewhere Else,” I saw a photo of Eleanor pointing in astonishment at something out of frame, and my mind raced from the possibilities. Was the Good Place never real to begin with? Were they going back to the Bad Place? Will they get their own Medium Place? Are they watching the Jacksonville Jaguars fall apart in the fourth quarter against the New England Patriots? (Honestly, an infinite loop of that game could be Jason’s Bad Place.)

The Good Place’s premise has always felt exceptionally bleak. There are jokes about torturing people with “butthole spiders,” but off-screen there are millions of dead humans being subjected to this stuff, for eternity. If you watch the show, you’ve probably thought about whether you deserve to be in the Good Place; and the scary thing is, a lot of us would concede that we don’t, considering how few characters in the show have earned it based on the established points system. Despite what the wallpaper says, everything is not fine. The Season 1 finale’s twist, transparently cynical in nature, only reinforced that by rendering the moral strides made by Eleanor and the other humans feel like a complete waste of time. Heading into the Season 2 finale, it was impossible not to brace for the worst again.

What a relief, then, that “Somewhere Else” ended with the show expressing optimism about humanity’s ability to better itself—even if it means that our four main characters must literally crash back down to Earth.

As it turns out, the tests given to Eleanor, Chidi, Jason, and Tahani by eternal Judge Gen (Maya Rudolph, in a lovely bit of casting) in the penultimate episode weren’t as high-stakes as they seemed—rather, they were just a form of personal amusement for a bored omniscient being who loves burritos. After a few more attempts to find a solution that makes everyone happy, Michael comes up with a revolutionary idea—by afterlife standards—for how the humans could prove their worth: What if they were sent back, to continue living their lives after a near-death experience?

It’s probably not an actual return to Earth proper, but a kind of simulation, one where the characters’ ability to be good for the sake of being good can truly be tested. This is essentially a litmus test for their humanity; if the lessons from Chidi’s philosophy classes will be applied without the prospect of a heavenly reward. For Eleanor, the only human we follow in “Something Else,” that means a process of personal betterment, starting with cleaning her filthy room, quitting her crappy job, going vegetarian, and telling the truth to her shitty roommates, even at the risk of losing them.

That the process eventually weighs Eleanor down and she begins to slip isn’t meant as an indictment of her character, but the taxing nature of trying to make every right decision every time, and how that can backfire—you’re lying to yourself if you say you’ve done every possible good deed for every scenario for an entire year. In Eleanor’s odyssey we see the inherent flaws of the Good Place–Bad Place system, which asks for near-perfection when being human rarely is so cut and dry. The entire ethos of The Good Place’s afterlife is in need of a reboot—not just Eleanor, Chidi, Jason, and Tahani.

As Eleanor slides back into her old ways, it takes a nudge from Michael, cheating the simulation by going inside of it as a bartender—a cheeky Cheers reference for Ted Danson—to set her on the right track. “What do we owe to each other?” he asks her. The philosophical treatise from Thomas Scanlon was one of many moral lessons from The Good Place’s resident philosopher, Chidi. Eleanor actually finds a seminar on YouTube of Chidi explaining the concept at a university in Australia, and watches the whole thing. (It’s like three hours long, so she definitely deserves arbitrary Good Place points.) As Season 2 comes to a close, Eleanor has boarded a plane and flown all the way to Australia to seek Chidi out; Michael, observing from afar, lets out a triumphant, “Here we go.”

It doesn’t feel like a coincidence that Eleanor’s cosmic journey of enlightenment is taking her to Australia, which was also the setting for the final episodes of The Leftovers. It’s a primal, earthy expanse that evokes apocalyptic symbolism, but it is also a place of self-discovery. Where else can you find yourself, if not at the very edge of the world?

When The Leftovers ended, there was a bittersweetness, but also a sense of optimism; that two people who were irreparably broken by a Rapture-like event could learn to live and love again, even if it took actual decades and might be predicated on an elaborate lie. The Good Place’s own spiritual journey may not deliver quite the same emotional heft—or as many gorgeous shots of the Outback—but as the show goes on, one can expect Eleanor, Chidi, Jason, and Tahani to test their moral compasses. And though they’ll probably struggle, Season 2 ends with the hope that they will leave this other-Earth as the better people they’ve been striving to be.

It is a far more optimistic bend than Evil Ted Danson wiping their minds for a hard reset of their personal hell. The Good Place is hoping for the best out of people, despite a few stumbles along the way. What’s more human than that?

//www.theringer.com/tv/2018/2/2/16964936/the-good-place-season-2-finale

Should a person's goodness or badness be determined by their intention or the consequence of their actions? The legal system established by humanity tends to focus on the results. A son who kills his comatose mother to relieve her suffering would be considered a murderer who deserves to go to jail, with mens rea being more important than motive.

In contrast, the evaluation system in the show seems to focus on intention. Even a pretty girl who spends her entire life doing charitable work, but only for the purpose of impressing her parents, would end up in the bad place forever, suffering eternal torment.

当时看到某书上面安利的时候,单纯想当下饭剧看的20min一集, 无厘头搞笑一直是我的爱,况且还是重生世界主题,之前看了上载新生就一直一直在等第二季.

善地第二季给了我除了欢笑外更多的东西,让我由衷地喜爱这部美剧.

前几集Micheal 反复让大家重复802次来验证自己的设计是可行的，非常没有人性，让人看了非常讨厌这个恶魔，但是后面他各种行为真的又有萌到我。

所以这是个梗吗，cool在哪里啊这个纹身哈哈哈哈哈

后面Chidi给大家上课探讨铁轨问题时候真的很搞笑，就是经典的是否选择变换轨道救5人杀1人的问题，咱们的小恶魔Micheal就脑路清奇的在想如何能同时杀死6人。

哈哈哈哈被大家指责后又上黑板罚抄句子：人类是好的。

so cute

随后我们的小恶魔大胆质疑Chidi的理论脱离实际，要带他做一场现实中的抉择，看看教育意义到底在哪。于是响指一打，我们的老师就开上了杀人列车：

甚至还给人number了一下，太贴心了这位同学

结果是老师没反应过来就被五个人的血肉糊了一脸，第二次恶魔给他了点考虑时间，选择恐惧的Chidi终于做出了选择变换了轨道，结果轨道上孤零零的一人居然是他最好的朋友，

哈哈哈哈这发展，谁扛得住啊

整部剧的槽点真是太多了，太让我快乐了，希望能多发现点这种剧。

最后，可爱的珍妮特镇楼~

ps 珍妮特的情商真的很像大爆炸里的艾米，艾米看来是机器人实锤了233333333

如果要找一部气质比较接近的剧可能就是好兆头，第一季结尾开始反转反转，第二季开始更是在一日循环、道德困境具现化、神之法庭等场景里一路玩梗停不下来。 死后人们都会被系统根据生前所作所为评分统计，只有达到一定程度的分值才能去The good place。狗血的天堂地狱设定，刚开始网飞初上时，一直觉得他会扑街，结果后面分数一路飙升终于引起我好奇。 坚信自己不是好人的女主在“善地”醒来，在尝试隐瞒自我的过程中闹出了一系列事故，看多了反乌托邦作品整个第一季其实在一开始就可以猜出大概剧情。但依旧是非常欢乐又有梗的下饭喜剧，虽然架子老但整体概念却有趣完整，也从一个无厘头的极端环境里通俗易懂地谈论着哲学。 作为ai的janet和Michael演的太棒了，男女主还算可以，女主和Michael之间互动可爱，忘年老友的气氛太舒服了…jason实在过于浮夸。 最后的反转还是非！常！好！玩！而且引出了更有趣的第二季。 第二季很像好兆头+苏菲的世界沙雕混杂版，开头几集的疯狂重启仿佛回到了沙雕版土拨鼠之日/源代码/明日边缘。女主每次发现并感慨“This Is The bad place！”的方式太可爱了！而不断重启的janet还在继续安利汉密尔顿，后面角色的成长也很棒。更好玩的大概还是把电车难题变成直观的场景，把平时似乎很少接触的各种哲学理论变成了剧中活泼生动随口提及的谈论和玩笑。 虽然我只看完第二季但整体能感觉剧组的积极、真诚和可爱，是一部看了不亏的剧

1

第二季作为续集很难不被与第一季来比较，但是这样的比较确实是令人沮丧的，因为明显作者想要表达的主题已经发生了变化。

在第一季中，最大的反转在剧末的爆点，通过告诉所有人在“恶地”来反映出每个人的本质是什么。女主的自私，男主的犹豫，富家女的虚伪和dj的小白。

但是在第二季中，在已知这些前提的情况下，不得不改变策略。

叙述了如何四个人，加上“小恶魔”一起努力升的故事。这样的故事基调，基本已经定位为正能量和合家欢了，相较于现在人追求新奇的口味来说，这的确是有些乏味的。

但也许正是这样，我们可以看到了与第一季不同的东西，更深层次的探讨哲学和道德

2

印象最深的是铁轨理论，一边是五个人，一边是一个人，失控的火车掌握在你的手上，你会如何决定这些人的命运。

这个理论曾经在哈佛的公开课《公平与正义》中提到过，同时说的还有比如在船上，弹尽粮绝了，你是否会同意用一个人的生命延续别人的生命。

无论是功利主义的讨论，还是生命价值的平等，最终回归于人性。

3

第二季最令人惊喜的地方是，主创们已经不再通过炫技的反转来博人眼球，而是愿意舍弃掉一些花哨来促成一个命题的产生：

人，是否真的可以简单的分善恶？

这就是在第一季时刚看到good place给人的感受。

everthing is good

越是好到极致越是不真实，直到Janet开始会撒谎，她才融入了集体里。

4

第一季给人的感受是惊喜连连，是等待着反转的那一刻。

第二季给人的感受是应接不暇，对照着自己的生活去审视道德的边界。

5

当然，这剧也是有瑕疵的

在讨论善恶时，批判的还不够，总是对主角们很仁慈

但是不认识到恶就不会发现善，一味的避重就轻并不能触及痛处

第三季，还是很期待，“复活者”代替人类去表现，人性中却有不计较得失的善